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Archer vs Saber part 1 Archer vs Saber part 2 Archer's demons New Reading List. Spoiler Considering how when Shirou fought Gilgamesh in the UBW finale, Shirou noted that UBW wouldn't work against ordinary Servants due to their mastery of a single weapon, one would assume this would be the case most of the time. Archer then tries to destroy him on a physical and mental battlefield but Shirou proves to be resilient enough to survive both, with a moment's hesitation at the end giving Shirou the victory. Archer is an Archer-class Servant able to be summoned by Ritsuka Fujimaru in the Grand Orders of Fate/Grand Order. ... As demonstrated in Fate/stay night with Saber's weakened abilities, the capabilities of a servant's master contribute a great deal to their battle capacity. The Einzbern pretty much shot themselves in the foot by summoning him in a Berserker class instead of Saber or Archer class. Step 1 the Banter - Both exchange some witty banter, Saber calls Archer a dishonorable Traitor. . Archer insults Saber's abilities as a King and tries to rile her up. Skip to 2:20 for the real action. Bond 4 by shadowswordmen Follow. Normally summoned as a Saber, she was changed into an Archer due to Scáthach altering her Saint Graph. They begin 40 meters away from each other. How do you think a fight between these two would go with both of them at their peaks and bloodlusted. Archer Inferno is her alias before clearing the quest. Saber and Archer battle outside of the church, far enough to prevent any interference from Masters. She is the \"Once and Future King\" and a legendary hero of Britain known as the King of Knights (騎士王, Kishi-Ō?). He slows her down a bit but he does no real damage. The Fate series is known for a lot of things: history, action, a litany of alternate endings and spinoffs. Summary. White haired masters of long ranged weaponry and blades clash. Shirou Emiya is the Master of Saber during the Fifth Holy Grail War. Fight takes place in Fuyuki city and surrounding area. Gilgamesh is the Archer-class Servant of Tokiomi Tohsaka during the Fourth Holy Grail War. Saber Alter vs Archer in his RM? ?, Episode ??? Step 2 The Charge - Saber begins to charge Archer while Archer shoots some projectiles … To prevent Archer from exposing his Noble Phantasm further, Tokiomi expends a Command Seal to order him to withdraw from the battle, much to Archer's displeasure. His personality is very contradicting. ), is a Saber-class Servant introduced as an alternate form of Artoria in Fate/unlimited codes. Saber asks how does he know that, and Archer trolls her by saying maybe he was one of her Knights or something. How do you think a fight between these two would go with both of them at their peaks and bloodlusted. Darth Vader, Starkiller and Darth Sidious (Star Wars)Archer, Lancer and Saber (Fate Series)RulesNo preparation, no prior knowledgeMorals on, everyone Ghost: And it's our job to analyze their armor, weapons, and skills too find out who would win... Death Battle Fanon Wiki is a FANDOM Games Community. Archer is decent in melee but seeing how Saber couldnt hang with sasaki Archer sure as hell can't fair remotely better. Step 4 UBW - Archer activates UBW Saber recognizing what is happening aka Archer deploying a Type of Bounded Field (Which I guess she believes to be his NP), readies her own NP Excalibur in order to disrupt the bounded field and Destroy Archer. Let's say UBW went differently. Unlike Archer, this isn't something Gilgamesh has to worry about. How to Create Your Own What-If Death Battles, General Death Battle TN and Template Blog, 'Hero vs. Anti-Hero' themed Death Battles, 'Video Games vs Anime/Manga' themed Death Battles, https://deathbattlefanon.fandom.com/wiki/Archer_(EMIYA)_VS_Saber_(Siegfried)?oldid=1454288. Saber asks how does he know that, and Archer trolls her by saying maybe he was one of her Knights or something. Because when he was summoned to the Berserker class, he was limited to only a single Noble Phantasm, God Hands, instead of many more. Archer soon realizing that there is now way he can win readies his Triple Linked Crane Wings. 1. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. Watch 【AMV】Fate/Stay Night : Unlimited Blade Works ( 2014 ) - Archer VS Shirou - Emiya theme 【1080P】 - anime amv 2014 on Dailymotion EMIYA/Archer is a character from the anime/visual novel Fate/Stay Night. Well, it doesn’t really matter if it’s the Counter Guardian Emiya Shirou (Archer) or if it’s just Emiya, both technically defeated Gilgamesh in Unlimited Blade Works. "Still, Excalibur was originally something entrusted by the fairy of the lake, so there shouldn't be anything weird even if it possessed the water-attribute". Artoria Pendragon (Lily), also known as Saber Lily(セイバー・リリィ, Seibā Riryi? Saber X Archer ( Servent Emiya ) Fanfiction. These two things cannot simultaneously be true. In his life, he made a contract with the world and thus became a Heroic Spirit, dedicated to working to protect the World. He is not a pure or proper Heroic Spirit, unlike most other Servants; he is a Counter Guardian. She has the third highest ATK value out of all 4-star archers, after Asagami Fujino and Aśvatthāman. Ok I will give this a shot. She became king by pulling the sword Caliburn from the stone, but after it was destroyed, she was given Excaliburand Avalon by the Lady of the Lake. VS Saber: Unless she is sniped due to having to protect her master while he is acting like a brainless idiot, Archer … Archer insults Saber's abilities as a King and tries to rile her up. However, what's integral to the Fate formula is its inherent sense of pairing. True Archer, his mind being free of madness or the hate against the gods, is an extremely heroic individual. She wielded the sword from the stone, Caliburn, but it was eventually destroyed. Archer (EMIYA) VS Saber (Siegfried) Season ?? Before facing off with Berserker, Archer advises Shirou to 'imagine something that can defeat it' when presented with an enemy he cannot defeat. The Concept of being a Hero of Justice has been followed by few individuals however with these two; one has become bitter following this path while the other wishes to follow and become a Hero of Justice but when the Wrought Iron Hero and Dragon-Blooded Knight cross blades, which of them will be the victor in this Holy Grail War?!?! Saber’s agi is B, Archer’s is C, so even if they start far away, Saber will eventually catch up. DEATH BATTLE featuring EMIYA and Siegfried from the Visual Novel Series Fate. Snipes or he is a goner. Extra was a special circumstance where the Moon Cell made it possible. Also, Archer v Saber Nasu check includes Saber's honorable tactics and Archer's ability to engage at range. He holds strong morals, even going against the orders of his Master to preserve his heroism. Except Archer explicitly reacted to Saber and redirected his arrow to attack her mid flight and Saber dodged that at close range First of all the text can't have it both ways. As a result, Saber's stats are as strong as they'd be if Rin were her Master. Gilgamesh(archer) vs Artoria(Saber) Hypothetical. He willingly keeps Saber from exposing he… Arrows wouldnt work on Lancer because of his protection. Being summoned as one of the Three Knight Classes his status as a "faultless hero" is all the more appa… Even though Saber's Instinct is superior to Archer's Eye of the Mind, the latter can still use it to dodge attacks too fast for him to see. Saber has never seen UBW and doesn't know Archer's identity or abilities besides Caladbolg II. Step 2 The Charge - Saber begins to charge Archer while Archer shoots some projectiles at her. She shares the exact ATK values at minimum with Tamamo no Mae (Lancer). Even Ak-kun would have a strained laugh at that. Archer manages to defeat Berserker once when he is battered by him to the hall. (Cue Wiz and Boomstick - DEATH BATTLE Theme). Discussion. She became king by pulling the sword Caliburn from the stone, but after it was destroyed, she was given Excaliburand Avalon by the Lady of the Lake. He doesn't lie, but he does keep secrets and tell half truths. Unlike Archer, this isn't something Gilgamesh has to worry about. Gilgamesh(archer) vs Artoria(Saber) Hypothetical. Except Archer explicitly reacted to Saber and redirected his arrow to attack her mid flight and Saber dodged that at close range (the arrow being right in front of her face). Archer vs Saber part 2 Archer's demons New Reading List. Ruby:And there are many types of Servants that are iconic and memorable such as Artoria Pendragon, Cu Chulainn, Medea, Heracles, Gilgamesh, Jeann d'Arc and numerous others Servants that have become memorable. She is summoned by Ritsuka Fujimaru in the Grand Orders of Fate/Grand Order. But the answer would more than likely be that CG Emiya Shirou would win. Spoiler Considering how when Shirou fought Gilgamesh in the UBW finale, Shirou noted that UBW wouldn't work against ordinary Servants due to their mastery of a single weapon, one would assume this would be the case most of the time. Fate: Archer Vs. Gilgamesh - Who Would Win? He slows her down a … We also do see Saber's stats under Rin, which are A/B/B/A/A+/A++. Archer and Saber are looking at each other and Archer says "let's do this" and they clash. … After Tokiomi's death, he forged a new contract with Kirei Kotomine that lasted until the Fifth Holy Grail War. While he is not an evil person, he has a callous personality. He th… 14 "End of The Ideal" Transcription: "Risō no Hate" (Japanese: 理想の果て) April 8, 2006 () Illyasviel sets Berserker on them. Archer wasnt on par with lancer, he couldnt even close the distance with Lancer. Fate: Archer Vs. Gilgamesh - Who Would Win? She is not a true Heroic Spir… Watch 【AMV】Fate/Stay Night : Unlimited Blade Works ( 2014 ) - Archer VS Shirou - Emiya theme 【1080P】 - anime amv 2014 on Dailymotion Upon seeing Saber, Berserker attacks her, revealing his second Noble Phantasm called Knight of Owner, the ability to turn anything he wields into a Noble Phantasm. Archer fired the Broken Phantasm Hrunting towards them while Saber flew towards Archer with Shirou's Command Spell. This is a Saber and Servent Emiya fanfic enjoy. Archer then uses his Noble Phantasm, Unlimited Blade Works, revealed as a Reality Marble, a spell that manifests an alternate reality, which consists of a barren wasteland filled with swords and floating gears that traps Shirou, Saber and Rin with him. After Saber wakes up, she, Rin and Archer go looking for Shirō. Additionally, Archer may attempt to injure Saber and prevent Excalibur from being used, à la Lancer (Zero); however, his success is questionable (he'd need to be clever enough to surprise her). Saber and Archer then attack Rider. 1 Saber Alter vs Berserker Archer seeing this readies an Imperfect Excalibur to try to counter. Fate/Stay Night VS Fate/Apocrypha! Archer (EMIYA) VS Saber (Siegfried) Season ?? Strongest Noble Phantasm against Saber Class enemies and Servants in Fate/Grand Order. With or without Avalon, Saber wrecks Archer. Archer is still the most self-centered person in the world like his Fate/stay night counterpart, but he lacks the same kingly temperament and he is able to properly read the situation around him. Make social videos in an instant: use custom templates to tell the right story for your business. She shares the exact HP values at minimum with Sakata Kintoki (Rider), Christopher Columbus and Cú Chulainn (Caster). She senses the attack coming (Similliar to how she Foresaw Tsubame Gaeshi) and lets loose Invisible Air (Something Saber Alter also didnt have a, defensive Noble Phantasm) to form a Defensive Sphere (Similiar to what she did in Fate Hollow Atraxia) stopping the attack from landing. He is subsequently killed in combat against Berserker, but not before killing Berserker six times (five in the anime) and reducing his stock of lives from God Hand. Vs Lancer: Second verse, same as the first. Posted by 4 hours ago. The Noble Phantasm Damage Table below evaluates Servants are their max potential - max ascension and level, skill/NP upgrades, +1000 ATK - with the notable except grailing. Shirou Emiya is the Master of Saber during the Fifth Holy Grail War. Defeating Archer grants Shirou/Avenger the access of Shinto at night patrols. In Fate, Archer is a nameless hero who gives up his life in order to let his master, Rin, escape along with Saber and Shirou. That technique (with only 4 petals instead of the usual 7) allowed an A+ weapon to overpower an A++ weapon when Rider fought Alter. Archer battles Berserker while Rin, Shirō and Saber get away. Saber asks how does he know that, and Archer trolls her by saying maybe he was one of her Knights or something. He was found by Kiritsugu Emiya, who was dejected after the events of the war, and wishing to atone for all of his actions, he saved Shirou's life by embedding Avalon in his body. Key Assumptions. VS Saber: Unless she is sniped due to having to protect her master while he is acting like a brainless idiot, Archer is pretty much screwed. He is honorable in battle, always maintaining a degree of bushido, and he is not the type who would attack defenseless women and children. Noble Phantasm Levels are set at: Vital statistics Air date TBA Written by Commander Ghost Directed by Commander Ghost Episode guide Previous Next TBA TBA Due to Archer's Excalibur being one rank lower, Saber's wins out and Archer is either Vaporized or uses the explosion to escape. Archer (EMIYA) VS Saber (Siegfried) is a What-If? Ruby: Like with EMIYA, the Red Archer from Fate/Stay Night. 1. Step 2 The Charge - Saber begins to charge Archer while Archer shoots some projectiles at her. Ghost: However some have not followed the idealogy of becoming a Hero of Justice something that these two Servants have attempted to follow and are following. Shirou offers to help and Rin gives him her prana. ?, Episode ??? Gilgamesh(archer) vs Artoria(Saber) Hypothetical. Anything from close to mid-far range (as long as he can be seen by Lancer) would be too disadvantageous for Archer to win. Saber is already faster than Archer and remember when Shirou used it Berserker had already lost all reason and was blindly charging without any intention of dodging. Gilgamesh(archer) vs Artoria(Saber) Hypothetical. Her actual name is Artoria Pendragon, better known as King Arthur, the "Once and Future King" and a legendary hero of Britain. Why? Archer vs Saber part 2 762 7 1. by shadowswordmen. Its simply too slow. ... As demonstrated in Fate/stay night with Saber's weakened abilities, the capabilities of a servant's master contribute a great deal to their battle capacity. I would prefer the use of Triple Linked Crane Wings, NLBW, or really some reference to Archer's full capabilities (bear in mind, he'd likely pull these off better than Shirou). Archer is the version of Shirou that followed his ideals to their tragic end while Shirou wants to move forward despite that fact. Saber's True Name is Artoria Pendragon, better known as Arthur Pendragon and King Arthur, who is regarded as a male in history. The battle ends if one is incapacitated or defeated. Share. In terms of power he's slightly below average, though he has more versatility than your average servant. She is not a true Heroic Spir… Hearing Elza's voice, Archer fires up his Noble Phantasm and launches a combined attack with Saber's Excalibur to take down Rider. He is the King of Heroes, the hero of the oldest epic poem in human history, who possessed all things in the world. Add photo 1 Description 2 Introduction 3 Dante 4 Archer/EMIYA 5 Interlude 6 The Battle 7 Outcome 8 Next Time 9 Trivia Devil May Cry vs. Step 3 The Melee - Blows are traded. Despite saying all that about Archer Class, it turns out like this in the end. Archer cannot both be changing the arrow to hit Saber and have it be on a path designed to hit both of them "from the start". She makes her debut in the Chaldea Summer Memory event. Vote. Both Beams Clash, and UBW itself is destroyed from the impact. Orphaned by the devastation caused by the destruction of the Grail ten years before, at the end of the Fourth Holy Grail War, he was rescued and adopted by Kiritsugu Emiya, who saved him from death by embedding Avalon into his body. Discussion. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Orphaned by the devastation caused by the destruction of the Grail ten years before, at the end of the Fourth Holy Grail War, he was rescued and adopted by Kiritsugu Emiya, who saved him from death by embedding Avalon into his body. While he is thoroughly cynical and nihilistic, he is at the same time devoted and protective, and even a little childish to the point that it makes him hard to hate. Archer is the Archer-class Servant of Rin Tohsaka during the Fifth Holy Grail War, and he is also one of many Servants able to be summoned by Ritsuka Fujimaru in the Grand Orders of Fate/Grand Order.His true name is EMIYA. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Assassin is quiet and composed, and while his general tone has a mocking nature to it, he takes it to another level with Caster. Saber Alter vs Archer in his RM? If Emiya gets an unfair advantage and the battle starts with him at a faraway sniping distance then he maaaaaay have a chance, but Mana Burst can help her close the distance fast. He is not a pure or proper Heroic Spirit, unlike most other Servants; he is a Counter Guardian. Discussion. This is not really viable. Archer vs Saber (500×450) Arturia Pendragon Archer Chibi Comics Sterling Archer Comic Books Comic Book Comic Cartoons. Ghost: Fate has had many entries and numerous types of Servants, Magus, and Beings have appeared throughout it. Archer supports Saber by firing arrows at Berserker while she fights him at close range, but they are unable to pierce Berserker's skin. He has a chance to win the 5th war, but it's not really high. Indeed, how childish. Posted by 4 hours ago. Archer would lose to most servants one on one. Realizing that he has no chance in winning a head on fight since Saber can basically see all his move thanks to Precog A and is much faster him, Archer decides to use UBW. Also, if Saber activated her NP, Archer states he could replicate it resulting in their mutual destruction. Discussion. Vital statistics Air date TBA Written by Commander Ghost Directed by Commander Ghost Episode guide Previous Next TBA TBA Archer's True Name is Artoria Pendragon, the King of Knights and leader of the Knights of the Round Table in 13th century Britain. The great fire caused by the wish of Kotomine at the end of Fourth Holy Grail War killed both his parents and left him mortally wounded within the blaze. For correctness sake: Archer can flat out not project Excalibur. YOU ARE READING. Close range is a given, but Archer can’t even runaway from her that well. Saber: Melee, easy, Excalibur Rider: Breaker Gorgan. Fate. Close. Archer is the Archer-class Servant of Rin Tohsaka during the Fifth Holy Grail War, and he is also one of many Servants able to be summoned by Ritsuka Fujimaru in the Grand Orders of Fate/Grand Order.His true name is EMIYA. Illyasviel vs saber from the 6th Episode from Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya in HD Subs by me. However Thanks to Saber's Instinct Rank A, (Note* Saber Alter's Instict was reduced due to the corruption of the Grail so Saber Alter did not have Instinct Rank A). Ghost: And Siegfried, The Saber of Black from Fate/Apocrypha. Saber defeated Archer while Shirou/Avenger deflected the Hrunting with Rho Aias. In his life, he made a contract with the world and thus became a Heroic Spirit, dedicated to working to protect the World. Her actual name is Artoria Pendragon, better known as King Arthur, the "Once and Future King" and a legendary hero of Britain. On the other hand, Archer naturally knows of Saber's abilities, having been her Master in his world. Ten years before the start of Fate/stay night, Shirou was an ordinary boy living with his parents in Shinto. She is pushed back even with further support from Rin, and she is blown away by a powerful strike as part of a plan to overpower him. YOU ARE READING. Vs Both of them are in character. How would it play out if Archer used Rho Aias to aid his Imperfect Excalibur, like how Shirou used it to help Belephoron in HF? Create. Now Normally Saber would take him down before he could use it because she is already in Melee Range and the Chant takes a while to summon UBW, but lets say she decides to let him do it for the lulz or something. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. Excalibur Vivian. Saber is the Saber-class Servant of Kiritsugu Emiya during the Fourth Holy Grail War, and then of his son, Shirou Emiya, during the Fifth. Sasaki Kojiro is the weakest servant but the trade-off is that he is the most skilled, able to repel any servant from the temple gate including berserker. This is thanks to her A Rank Precognition and her B Rank Agility compared to Archer's woeful C Rank Agility. He means well and is capable of being nice, but often end… He has no real interest in the Holy Grail, so he instead wishes t… If Gae bolg can break Rho, Ballerophon can destroy him. Press J to jump to the feed. Saber is the Saber-class Servant of Kiritsugu Emiya during the Fourth Holy Grail War, and then of his son, Shirou Emiya, during the Fifth. Eventually she is in Melee Range and Archer summons his two swords. Close. Archer insults Saber's abilities as a King and tries to rile her up. Archer bailed because he realised he couldnt beat him in CQC. Saber soon realizes that Archer is indeed familiar with her so she releases Invisible Air and has it play a more defensive role. First I will assume that Saber Stats under Rin is the same as her Stats during Fate Zero (Correction Apparently Rin's Saber's Stats are A/B/B/A/A+/A++.) Rho Aias just barely managed to block his attack. Prompt: describe step-by-step the battle between Saber and Archer. You are indeed where you belong. Heck, he couldn't even use his signature NP/Technic Nive Lives. Saber X Archer ( Servent Emiya ) Fanfiction. During the fight, Rider senses the death of his master and is forced to use his Dendera Light to kill the three Servants. She's a top-tier Servant; only an inusfficient supply of Mana could lead her losing in a serious fight. Emiya has kidnapped Miyu and believes that by using her power to it's fullest thus killing her he can break his contract with the Counter Force and requires Chloe's archer card to finish the ritual. Archer betrays Rin and sides with Caster far earlier. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. Boomstick: There are a lot of things that can make a certain characters awesome, be it a rocking longcoat, massive arsenal or a devil-may-care attitude. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! Also remember, he has UBW activated and Caster's mana, so it should be easier. 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